More Advice from an Amateur Poet

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Dear Amateur Poet,

I wrote a 14-page poem on the ineffable nature of fog. My workshop said it lacked “stakes.” I wasn’t sure what this meant and was too embarrassed to ask. What did they mean? Can fog have stakes?

Melissa M, Longmont, CO

Dear Melissa,

A poem of 14 pages is bound to try the patience of a workshop where everyone is required to read a lot of amateur work. A reader encountering T.S. Eliot’s “The Waste Land” or Samuel Coleridge’s “The Rime of the Ancient Mariner” obviously wouldn’t worry—they know going in that  there won’t be a word wasted—but you are just a budding poet in a workshop. So I think you should ask yourself: is your 14 pages on fog a deliberately audacious act—that is, you know this is a lot of poetry to devote to such a finite theme, and you’re going to prove it can be done well—or are you just being self-indulgent and abusing the patience of your readers?

Look, I’m not knocking fog, but it’s not the most dramatic topic, especially if you’re narrowing in on the ineffability of it, so you’re kind of working without a net. If your poem is not carried off just right, it may strike the reader as redundant. Let me employ a metaphor (which at first may seem weird but stay with me): imagine having a five-course meal where every course is a Hot Pocket. Not good. But if a chef did manage to make such a meal interesting, that would give him or her huge cred, right? I doubt such a feat has never been achieved, but the standup comic Jim Gaffigan has riffed about Hot Pockets for like 5 minutes straight, which is almost as impressive. But then, Hot Pockets are kind of intrinsically funny, so this is likely a more potent topic for a comedian than fog is for a poet.

But could a great standup go on at great length on a less loaded topic, that probably nobody cares much about? In fact, yes. Gaffigan outdoes himself by going 10 minutes straight on the topic of horses, and his long-windedness is definitely part of the joke. Two and a half minutes in he says in a whispery voice, as though a member of the audience, “How many horse jokes is this guy gonna do?” Four minutes in he says, “Oh, I guess I should tell you, the whole rest of the show is horse jokes.” About 8 minutes in he says, “I can see on some of your faces that you would frankly prefer if I did … more horse jokes.” About nine and half minutes in he says, “Okay, I can see that there’s one or two or 300 of you that are frankly annoyed by the horse jokes. And I want you to know that your annoyance, uh, gives me pleasure.”

But here’s the thing: the long-windedness is only part of what makes the bit funny, and if the monologue dragged at all, the humor would wear thin. But Gaffigan’s horse jokes kill. And so should your fog poem, if it’s going to be that long. (No, standup comedy and poetry are not the same thing, unless you’re Jim Gaffigan. That said, all audiences should have their time and attention respected.)

So getting back to your specific question: can fog have stakes? Well yeah! What if a MAMIL is outrunning a rainstorm by racing his bike down the Col du  Galibier in the French Alps and can’t see a thing? Or what if two young lovers are on a hike and the fog is so thick they can’t see but they don’t care because they’re so in love, and then the fog lifts to reveal the aftermath of a grisly school bus accident? It’s up to you to make sure that what’s at stake can sustain your poem across all 14 pages.

Dear Amateur Poet,

The president of my HOA, who is also a neighbor, cited me for “non-compliant shrubbery” because I have a juniper bush growing in my yard. And get this: his Notice of Violation was in haiku form! This seems kind of playful, but also aggressive. Would my rebuttal be more impactful if it, too, were a haiku?

David F, Oakland, CA

Dear David,

This highlights the perennial question of how much poetry can do. To start with, you must acknowledge that your HOA is on pretty solid footing here. Even though California state law favors drought-tolerant plants, junipers have high oil content so they’re quite flammable. You can’t risk serving up a weak defense. You need to escalate beyond the haiku.

Fortunately, this won’t be that hard to do since a Rhesus monkey could write a haiku. Honestly, I seldom dabble in the form because it presents such a trivial literary challenge. When I do stoop to it, I kick in a little rhyme and alliteration just to keep things lively. For example, consider this one I included in a birthday card to my mom:

Birthday bounty … great!
Both purveyors drop the ball
Bound to be belated

It’s subtle, with the rhyme coming on the fifth syllable of the last line, before that tacked-on extra syllable that pricks the reader. (I was inspired by the errant eleventh syllable of the line “To be or not to be, that is the ques-tion.” But I digress.)

What I think you ought to do is respond with a tanka. This is another Japanese form, which predates the haiku. It starts with the same initial structure (five syllables, then seven, then five) but then adds two more seven-syllable lines, which often present, thematically, a counterpoint to the first three. To meet haiku with tanka is a nice way of upping the ante, of showing you’re not just going to roll over.

For example, if the HOA president writes this:

Non-compliant shrub
Violates our covenant
Time to lose it, bub

You could fire back with:

Noble native plant
Safely placed ten feet away,
It kindles nothing.
Why can’t you just leave me be
And trust my sound strategy.

If the tanka doesn’t get him off your case, write me back and we can work out an even bolder strategy, like a limerick cycle! 

Dear Amateur Poet,

I love your column! And I really think you aren’t being fair to yourself. You’re basically a professional poet (except you don’t get paid).

Karen G, Seattle, WA

Dear Karen,

Thanks, but isn’t getting paid kind of the acid test for being a professional?

Although actually , when I consider what being a professional poet even means, it seems the money couldn’t possibly be the point. If we exclude professors who earn cred by publishing poetry but earn money by teaching classes, we’re really left talking about writers submitting their poems to journals. Many journals don’t pay anything—it’s all about the prestige. A top-tier magazine might pay a few hundred bucks. Since any publisher’s acceptance rate is in the low single digits, and well over half the literary journals charge a submission fee (typically around $3), I think we can conclude that the income of a professional poet, as compared to an amateur getting nothing, is basically a rounding error. This is why most professional poets should probably  switch to writing rap/hip-hop lyrics, greeting card text, or advice columns.

Dear Amateur Poet,

Unlike most of your readers, I am not a budding poet. Why bother writing poetry, when AI does such a great job in so little time? Go home, liberal artsy types. You lost.

Todd S, Columbus, OH

Dear Todd,

Let me remind you that I am an amateur poet. This means I’m not submitting my work for publication. I write poems for family, friends, and the blogosphere. Would there be any point in having AI do this for me? Let’s consider that last audience. Anybody publishing anything on a blog has, by definition, something to say that he or she feels is important enough to devote real effort to. The hope is that by random chance, a thoughtful post will find the right audience and really make somebody’s day (for example, this reader, or this one). The pleasure and edification of writing something meaningful like that ought to be enough to satisfy an avid blogger. But if you think reaching an audience is a numbers game that can be best handled by setting AI loose to generate reams of content for you, first consider the reality that most of the traffic to a blog is bots. The idea of AI chatbots writing poetry to be read by other AI bots, in a pointless digital feedback loop, is just too hideous to contemplate. You might as well set a blender to frappé and let it run all night.

Moving on to poetry written for somebody you know—be it your mom, dad, spouse, offspring, or somebody you’re trying to woo—doesn’t the poem need to be extremely personal? I don’t think anybody really buys those Hallmark greeting cards with the prefab poems in them; I mean, who could be that dense? Likewise, if you’re going to impress, say, your wife, are you really going to do it with a poem you merely commissioned, and that ChatGPT spent like 30 seconds on? And would your wife ever believe you wrote it, since you’ve probably never written a poem in your life? Exactly how precious a gesture do you really expect that to be?

But okay, fine, let’s assume that you make the poem super personal by getting really interactive with the large language model, feeding it all kinds of details about your wife that only you would know. And let’s say that, just to be as authentic as possible, you used NotebookLM and fed in the entire oeuvre of your business school essays, along with all the personal letters and emails you could gather, so that the LLM gets a good sense of your style and voice, and you thereby enable it to create a masterwork. Your wife, if she’s impressed, is obviously going to ask, “Did you write this yourself?” Now you’re going to have to either lie, which sets a dangerous precedent for your marriage, or come clean that you used a genAI chatbot, at which point she’s gonna be like, “What? You told the chatbot about my lawn gnome fetish, and the part of my thigh I like you to tickle? Are you mad!?” Seriously, that’s not going to end well.

Meanwhile, highly literate hackers are now turning the tables on AI, getting it to violate its security rules by disguising harmful prompts as poems. As described here, researchers “found that converting harmful prompts into poetic form [to bypass safety guardrails] achieved a 62% success rate for hand-crafted poems and 43% for poems generated by a meta-prompt. Cybersecurity-related prompts, such as those for code injection or password cracking, showed an 84% failure rate when presented poetically.” So not only is AI easily outsmarted by poems, it’s outsmarted 44% more often by human poets than AI ones. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

An interesting footnote to all this: I fed the above blurb with the “44%” statistic into Gemini to have it check my math. Apparently piqued by my assertion of human superiority in the poetic realm, Gemini challenged me to a “poetry-off,” where I would pit a poem I wrote myself against its best meta-prompt effort. I enthusiastically accepted, promising to work with it in good faith to collaborate as effectively as possible on its poem. So, after our sprawling, 4,000-word dialogue about the tanka form and HOA regulations, here is the poem Gemini came up with:

Low boughs clipped away,
Open space beneath the crown,
Ash finds only stone.
Safety rules are met with grace,
Please remove me from this case.

And you know, I have to admit: that’s actually pretty good. Better than I expected (and for more on the topic of human vs. AI-generated poetry, click here). Gemini then goaded me: “Now, let’s see the Human Champion’s work. Lay it on me. I’m ready to see how that 44% ‘human edge’ manifests in your lines!” So I gave it the poem I’d dashed off  for David in an earlier column:

Noble native plant
Safely placed ten feet away,
It kindles nothing.
Why can’t you just leave me be
And trust my sound strategy.

Todd, however you might feel about this faceoff, Gemini itself immediately capitulated: “The gauntlet has been thrown, and I have to admit: the ‘Human Edge’ is real. Your version has a rhythmic ‘punch’ that my meta-prompt missed. You opted for a more defiant, sophisticated tone that feels like a homeowner standing their ground, whereas mine felt a bit like a student trying to please a teacher.” The chatbot enumerated the particular merits of my poem, including the pivotal line “It kindles nothing,” which the AI acknowledged is “definitive, almost biblical in its weight. It sounds like a fact, not a request.” It went on to say, “Ending on ‘strategy’ is a brilliant move. It elevates the conversation from ‘I trimmed a bush’ to ‘I have a master plan.’ It forces the HOA board to acknowledge your intelligence, not just your yard work.” (And while I agree with Gemini that I bested it, I have to admit I’m well impressed—and a little bit frightened—by the sophistication of its analysis.)

I’m not suggesting you take up poetry, Todd … but before you start dancing on my grave, maybe wait until there’s something in it.

An Amateur Poet is a syndicated poet and journalist whose advice column, “Ask an Amateur Poet,” appears in over 0 blogs worldwide.

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Dear Amateur Poet,

My teenager says my Facebook posts are “basically slam poetry.” Is this a compliment?

Melinda S, Chicago, IL

Dear Melinda,

I confess I am not an expert on Facebook, having never actually seen it. But from what I understand, it’s primarily a platform for sharing brief written updates and photos. I would think slam poetry, with its emphasis on vociferous and dramatic delivery, more performance than document, would be better served by, say, TikTok (though I confess I’ve never seen that, either). So your teenager’s assertion is essentially that you are pushing the boundaries of what Facebook is widely accepted to be. All this implies you’re maybe a bit too intense, which of course would embarrass your teen. But to call anything poetry, well—that’s got to be a compliment, right?

Dear Amateur Poet,

What cologne goes best with the poet vibe and aesthetic?

Kyle M, Arcata, CA

Dear Kyle,

Please don’t take this wrong, but I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. It could be you’re mocking the affectation of a young person trying to embody the persona of a poet … or it could be that you’re completely earnest and would like a nice scent to go with your black turtleneck and goatee. If you’re the latter, please take my puzzlement as a caution against putting too much stock in appearances.

Now on to the question itself. In my entire life I have not encountered a man wearing cologne who didn’t seem to be overdoing it. I think a safer way to smell nice is with an aftershave (though I’ve never tried one) or Old Spice deodorant, which I’ve been wearing for as long as I’ve written poetry. I don’t know how “literary” Old Spice is, but I did have an impassioned (if brief) debate about it with Maxine Hong Kingston, a noted poet, author, and memoirist. (She hates it.)

Dear Amateur Poet,

I feel called to “give voice to the voiceless” through my poetry, but I’m not entirely sure who among the voiceless is most deserving or underserved, and to be completely honest I feel like I am only guessing about who those voiceless people might even be. Can you help steer me in the right direction?

Leslie A, Portland, OR

Dear Leslie,

I think it’s worth challenging yourself with a fundamental question: how authentic is your calling? To survey available voiceless populations, in order to determine which among them should be represented by your poems, seems a bit more analytical and pragmatic than I would expect for a natural poet. William Wordsworth, in the preface to his Lyrical Ballads, wrote, “Poetry is the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings: it takes its origin from emotion recollected in tranquility.” With this idea as a guide, perhaps you should try to recollect (when tranquil) a strong emotional reaction you once had when encountering someone specific who lacked a voice. Was it the toddler on the pool deck who screamed as if in horror when his beach ball floated out of reach? Was it the cat who kept looking up from his food bowl as if perplexed, unable to articulate why he couldn’t just scarf down his dinner?

There’s also the issue of how exactly you intend to assume the perspective of somebody you cannot hope to fully understand (given his or her lack of voice). One tried-and-true edict of creative writing classes is “write what you know.” I’m not sure this is always good advice, but it may apply pretty nicely here: how about starting with yourself? Have you ever felt voiceless, and could you use your poetry to finally articulate something you’d always kept inside? To whet your appetite, you might check out “Love Poem From a Coward“ on albertnet.

Dear Amateur Poet,

I have a lot of questions. Number one: how dare you?

Mindy A, Santa Barbara, CA

Dear Mindy,

I gather you’re asserting that poets, especially amateur ones, must answer for their audacity. And you’re not wrong: it really is audacious of us to provide something that the general public has almost no appetite for. (I almost wrote “reading public” before realizing that’s pretty much an oxymoron these days.) Anybody who writes poetry does so, presumably, because he or she considers it a higher form of communication than the kind of casual, off-the-cuff prose we see on social media or other commentary. Thus, poets can seem to be turning their noses up at what other people write.

But really, isn’t almost every assertion of ourselves something of a pose? Sure, poets work hard to make their words say more, but don’t Instagrammers put plenty of effort into composing themselves, doing that thing with their lips, angling their face just so toward the camera, and/or touching up the photo afterward?

Where my defense falls short is that an Insta photo or TikTok video can only be so bad, whereas bad poetry can be truly awful, perhaps one of the worst forms of expression ever conceived by man. It’s particularly abysmal when it’s dead earnest and tries to be deep. Before I met my wife, she was dating this guy she said was pretty hot, but with whom she eventually broke it off largely due to his poetry. He took it upon himself to write her a poem and mail it to her, when they were just dating. The act itself was of course deeply questionable—I mean, he was on thin ice before she even opened the envelope—but on top of it the poetry was bad, really bad: totally emo, as though that made him seem complicated, like some sensitive, artistic, tender soul. She may well have thought, “How dare you,” just like you did. Needles to say I’m stoked about the dude’s poetic blunder, since it opened the door for me to come along and woo his ex, but we should take this is a cautionary tale.

All I can say in my own defense is that at least I don’t thrust my poetry upon people. I don’t read it out loud in public spaces, and I don’t insert it in anybody’s “feed.” If I write a poem to give somebody, I  make sure it’s short and light and has something undeniably positive going for it, such as a rhyme scheme and/or metric consistency showing some skill and effort. I have written poems for my wife, but I made sure that a) I didn’t presume to inflict them upon her until we were married; b) they passed muster literarily since she’s an English grad like me; and c) I didn’t try to punch above my weight intellectually. I won’t share any of those poems here since they’re private, but here are a couple of “cover letters” in poem format that I enclosed when sending money to my daughter at college:

A girl in SoCal wrote her father,
“I don’t want to seem like a bother
But I’m terribly low on granola
Not to mention I’m out of cashola.
Can you spare me a handful of coppers?”

Her dad, though his mood had been sunny
Didn’t find this the slightest bit funny.
But despite being quite the cheap bastard
He knew there was no getting past her,
And wrote back, “Okay, fine—here’s some money.”

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A girl in SoCal, where it’s sunny
Told her dad (in a voice sweet as honey):
“I don’t want to strike you as greedy,
But the fact is I’m terribly needy,
So couldn’t you send me some money?”

Her dad, far from being a hero,
Had budgeted something like zero.
He sighed loudly, “Oh, bother,”
And then wrote to his daughter:
“Okay, fine—here’s a little dinero.”

I don’t recall getting any feedback on the above poems, which at least means no complaints. And to my credit I predisposed my audience to look favorably upon the poetry by enclosing money with it. So in answer to your question “How dare you?” my short answer is: carefully and respectfully.

Dear Amateur Poet,

All your poems are so rigid in terms of literary structure: iambic pentameter or dactylic trimeter, formal rhyme schemes, predictable length … did you not get the memo that real poets, that is professional ones, have long ago abandoned all that formality in favor of free verse? I mean, when’s the last time you read a sonnet in The New Yorker? Get with the times, man!

John M, Boston, MA

Dear John,

The way I look at it, a very gifted writer can produce beautiful poetry that doesn’t adhere consistently to convention, and yet manages to deliver satisfying effects due to skillful literary techniques that the poet is essentially inventing. It’s kind of like a dancer who, instead of following a tango or salsa or other established form, is able to improvise on the dance floor and look great. But let’s be honest, how many people on the dance floor just look like total jackasses? It’s much easier to match an established form that is beautiful than to try to invent your own.

So it is with poetry, I think. So much of the free verse stuff just reads like a tossed salad of words, and it’s up to the reader to try to glean some impression of highbrow sophistication. It’s the literary equivalent of modern art, with these “artists” who fling paint at the canvas with a spoon or squirm naked on it. I love the cartoon of two toddlers looking at a modern painting and one of them says, “I could do that in about five minutes.”

Let’s take a real life example of a totally unstructured poem published in The New Yorker earlier this month, “Birdbath” by Henri Cole. The first line is, “Standing at the window, I watch robins clean themselves in the cement birdbath, splashing water on their backs to remove dirt and parasites, before hopping to the ledge to fluff their feathers.” Is this even poetry? Is there anything unexpected, moving, or dare I say even poetic about this description? Anybody who has seen a bird do this would record the activity in pretty much the same way. Cole’s poem goes on like this, with seven more very basic sentences following the first one. There is no rhythm, no rhyme, no assonance, no consonance, no alliteration, no discernible metaphor, no strategic repetition or cadence … in terms of the techniques that define poetry, all I can identify is a single simile. What makes this a poem? Just two things: 1) it’s too short to be an essay, and 2) The New Yorker calls it one.

On top of that, this birdbath poem isn’t even efficient. Last time I checked, at a bare minimum poetry was supposed to condense meaning into as few words as possible, fewer even than good prose, with the understanding that the difficulty the reader may have interpreting it is offset by its brevity. So why does the poem also include this sentence: “Red robins, you make me feel such tenderness and awe”? If I wrote a poem to my wife that included the line, “You make me feel such tenderness and awe,” she’d probably leave  me.

Now, I’m not saying there aren’t great poets who can totally wow us with free verse. Because they have a great literary gift, they get to break all the rules. Let’s not pretend we mere mortals can do this and get away with it. Let me make an analogy. Consider how Muhammad Ali, early in his career, was so good at dodging punches he didn’t even put his fists up to protect himself. That worked for him, but no trainer in the world would advise such a thing to a budding boxer. And that’s why, as an amateur poet, I recommend the tried and true literary devices that are likely to make your poem more fun to read. Consider these lines I from a poem I wrote:

So many forty-somethings end their day
Exhausted, whining, winding down with wine.

I’m not going to say they’re anything close to “When the evening is spread out against the sky/Like a patient etherized upon a table” (from T.S. Eliot’s “Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock”). But you have to admit, my lines at least have a certain snap to them that far exceeds the kill-me-now reaction you surely had to “Red robins, you make me feel such tenderness and awe.” And why is that? Well, the iambic pentameter kind of bounces you along, doesn’t it? You realize, perhaps instinctively, that there’s metrical precision in play, and this satisfies you for the same reason a drum beat does. Then there’s the alliteration of the repeated Ws and the internal rhyme of “whining,” “winding,” and “wine.” If I’d given you more than two lines of this sonnet, you’d also appreciate the end rhyme baked in to whole thing. You would anticipate (again, perhaps subconsciously) that the next line would rhyme with “day,” and the one after that with “wine.” These conventions are like an unwritten contract with the reader so that, if nothing else, the poem won’t ultimately feel like some guy writing whatever pops into his head.

No, of course T.S. Eliot doesn’t need to resort to such parlor tricks, but he’s T.S. frickin’ Eliot! Are you? Would your loosey-goosey anything-goes poetry produce something like “There will be time, there will be time/ To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet,” or would it be more like, “Staring into the brown bits of this avocado/ I contemplate mortality/ And think, ‘I really need to hit Trader Joes’”? (Damn, you know what? I was trying to be bad but that’s still better than “Red robins, you make me feel such tenderness and awe.” And I’m a rank amateur!)

One more point on this and then I’ll shut up. Consider the massive popularity of hip-hop/rap music, which the Recording Industry of America reports is now the most widely consumed genre in the U.S. Drake reaches about 88 million listeners a month on Spotify alone; Bad Bunny reaches ~86 million, Eminem ~73 million. Per month. A survey from the National Endowment of the Arts shows that only 9-12% of U.S. adults report reading poetry in a given year (which works out to about 2 million per month). Given the technical sophistication of rap music—which includes complex rhyme schemes, assonance, consonance, alliteration, metrical consistency (i.e., beat), wordplay, layers of slippery persona, metaphor, allusion—it far better resembles traditional, formal poetry than the totally unstructured collections of words that we call poetry today. The popularity of rap strongly suggests that people still have an appetite for the literary techniques that modern poets seem to have abandoned. And to my mind, all these listeners aren’t wrong. I just ripped a recent Doechii album, but it’s been years since I bought a book of modern poetry.

An Amateur Poet is a syndicated poet and journalist whose advice column, “Ask an Amateur Poet,” appears in over 0 blogs worldwide.

Poetry on albertnet

• Corn Cob
• Ode to South Park
• Ode on a Chain Lube
• Shakespeare Knockoff
• Dead Week Poetry
• Urination Poetry
• Ode to Lomas Cantadas
• Kroopian Poetry (Dactylic Trimeter)
• Unemployment Poetry
• The Big [Bike Shop] Screw-Up
• The Paperboy
• Ode to Cat
• From the Archives - Starving Little Student
• A Father's Day Poem
• From the Archives - Latin [Class] Is for Lovers
• Ode on a Double-Edged Razor
• Love Poem from a Coward
• Radio Station Poetry
• What’s in a [Domain] Name?
• Ode on a Belly: Mine
• A Valentine Poem
• Ode on an IPA
• Ode to Thrifting

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